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Hydrogen Hiway?

Monday, February 22nd, 2010

Author: Hybridman

fill-upHere’s an interesting article on the Hydrogen Highway- not very practical.

They want to build 11 solar powered hydrogen filling stations on the East coast at the cost of $300,000 each. The downside? They can only handle refilling 10-12 cars a day…

Ummmm- Let’s see, for $36,000,000, we could donate 30,000+ of our top of the line HHO Generator kits for people to put into their everyday cars.

They would instantly be saving 20-40% on fuel, and have emissions drop- all while just using water.

If it was just our smallest HHO Generator, we could give out 60,000+ HHO kits.

SO which idea would be better in the long run? 10-12 cars filling up a day (plus the exotic price of a pure hydrogen car), or 60,000 cars using a hybrid hydrogen generator?

But alas, because the former idea lacks any fiscal responsibility, makes no financial or environmental sense, and gives the absolute worst result for money spent, it will probably get government spending right away…

What do you think of program like that??

HHO checklist

Friday, February 19th, 2010

Some notes from Fuelsaver-mpg site:

Dry Cell Debug Checklist

HHO will improve combustion efficiency. This is a scientific fact. When introduced into the engine along with the petroleum based fuel, it causes the flame speed to increase. This allows more of the petrol to burn during the power stroke. This will just happen. And it will be a dramatic increase over the combustion without the HHO. After the combustion efficiency is improved, the ECU is often fooled by the reduced quantity of unburned hydrocarbons and increased oxygen content, and often will add fuel to compensate. This can ruin your mileage gains.

The simplicity of what we have to do to have a successful HHO installation is: a) get some HHO into the engine and b) adjust the sensor inputs as necessary so the ECU is not blocking the gains. That’s all. If we can do those 2 things, we will always get vastly improved fuel economy and vastly improved (decreased) emissions.

While this checklist was written with HHO users in mind, it will work for any other technology that improves combustion efficiency. You will find that you can adapt many of these steps to apply to whatever technology you are using to debug your project. Other combustion technologies include (but are not limited to): water vapor injection, fuel preheating, fuel vaporizers/atomizers, fuel cracking technologies (using additives to break down the fuel), etc.

You should check out these items working from the top down. They have been ordered this way on purpose so that the most likely problems are higher on the list. Also, the problems that are the easiest to test appear higher on the list than those that are difficult and/or expensive to test for.

The thing you have to realize is that the technology works. And because it does, all vehicles can be solved. If you are having a hard time getting the results you should, you just need to go through these items and find the reasons your gains are being blocked. If you keep at it, you will find the problem and you will get the gains you are seeking.

1. Is your device making HHO? The most common bug we encounter trying to debug systems is that HHO is not being produced, or is not getting into the engine for some reason. Check your system. Measure the output of your HHO cell by doing a water displacement test. Bob Boyce recently told me that a system should provide 1/4 – 1/2 liter/min of HHO per liter of engine displacement. See if you are meeting that standard. Another thing that should be checked here is whether your unit is making HHO or steam. Some of the early cell developers would run their units with so much amperage that the unit was producing more steam than anything else. If your unit runs hot to the touch, you must suspect that at least part of your output is steam. One way to test for steam is to run your gas outlet over some ice. If you get significant amounts of fog forming (water droplets), you know that at least part of your output is steam.

2. Is the HHO getting into the engine? We have seen cases where a leak in the system was keeping the hydrogen from getting into the engine. A split hose can cause this, or one that is not attached at all. A check valve oriented in the wrong direction can block the HHO from getting to the engine. One time we found that the lid to a dry cell’s reservoir had a leak and when this was fixed the situation resolved completely. Spray your hoses and connections with soapy water to expose any leaks in your system. Fix any that you find.

3. Do you have an EFIE installed? Vehicles with carburetors and diesels do not require an EFIE. But all other fuel injected engines will need to have it’s electronics handled to get the gains of an HHO system installation. Usually the only sensors that require handling are the oxygen sensors that are upstream of the catalytic converter. Most V-6 and V-8 engines have two of these and most 4 cylinder engines have one.

4. Do you have the right type of EFIE? Most Japanese and German cars/trucks from about 2000 forward use wide band oxygen sensors. This is a new type of sensor that will not work EFIEs made for narrow band vehicles.  If you have wide band sensors, you will need to get a Wide Band EFIE…

5. Is your EFIE installed correctly and on the correct wire? Refer back to the instructions for the type of EFIE you installed. If you are using a product from another company, you can still refer to our installation instructions which usually are a little more complete. The section for finding your signal wire is pretty extensive and includes a video of what your signal wire should look like when measured on a volt meter. If you have the correct phenomena for your signal wire, make sure you have the upstream sensor, and not the downstream sensor. Installing the EFIE on the wrong wire is one of the most common mistakes that come up on our support lines.

6. Reset your computer. Some computers are able to “learn” and adapt to the conditions that exist in your engine. Since you have made a major change by adding an HHO system and EFIEs, you may need to reset the computer to erase what it learned about the system when it was inefficient, and start over again with the new improvements installed. You can reset your computer by disconnecting your battery ground wire from the car, and leaving it off for 15 or 20 minutes. Then reconnecting it again. I wouldn’t do this every time you make a change to the EFIE’s setting. But its a good idea to do once you have installed a new system.

7. Is your EFIE functioning correctly? This is rather easily tested. For all types of narrow band EFIE except our Digital Narrow Band series, measure the voltage between the sensor and the ECU (from the input to the output of the EFIE). You should see the voltage that the EFIE is adding. For the digital EFIE, you can read the EFIE’s output vs ground. You should see it changing between .1 and .9 volts rather rapidly. If you don’t see this, you are either on the wrong wire or the EFIE is malfunctioning. For the wide band EFIE you must disconnect a lead and measure the current from the output of the EFIE to ground. Your meter must be sensitive enough to measure the expected output which is from 1 – 3 milliamps.

Before proceeding to the following steps: You should definitely make sure that all of the above steps are in. The following are less likely to be the source of the problem, and require some additional expense. So if you are planning to do expensive handlings, you want to make sure that the simple items above are taken care of. Further, if the checklist steps above are out, the following steps, even though expensive, will not resolve the situation.

8. Do your oxygen sensors need to be replaced? Oxygen sensors wear out. I have seen estimates that say you should replace them after 40,000 miles. In my experience they can get many more miles than this, but if you 100,000 miles or more on your oxygen sensors you must replace them. It is likely that replacing them will give you a good increase in mileage all by itself. We have seen a number of projects completely debug by doing this step alone.

9. Is there something else mechanically wrong with your engine? If your engine is working properly, adding an HHO system will not correct that. You will often find that if your engine is not working properly, just fixing it can give you a dramatic increase in mileage all by itself. If you had any kind of check engine light before starting the project, you should get this fault explored and handled. If you’re not sure, reset your computer, turn off all of your HHO, EFIEs and any other added modifications, and see if you still get a fault code. If so, get it fixed first, before adding your modifications. Sometimes fault codes don’t show up as a check engine light, but can still be read by a standard reader. If you have a vehicle that was manufactured in the US after 1995, you can take your car to a part house, and they will often read your codes for free, and help you get them handled.

10. Do you need to treat your downstream sensors? In the past, and in most cases the downstream sensors are not used in air/fuel ratio calculations. Therefore they do not need to be treated. But we are finding quite a few cases where that’s not true anymore.   Dodge/Chrysler and Honda from about 2002 forward have documented that they are using the rear sensors as part of their air/fuel ratio calculations. Jeeps are doing this also. We have also debugged projects by treating downstream sensors on Ford F-150s and Mercedes, even though there is no documentation that the downstream sensors are used in air/fuel ratio calcs. It is now a primary suspect when fuel mileage is not being achieved when the steps above are all found to be in. We’ve never seen wide band sensors use downstream from the cat, so narrow band EFIEs are needed. A further note is that you should not use Digital Narrow Band EFIEs on the downstream sensors. These were designed to work with the phenomena that we expect from the upstream sensor activity. You can use any analog narrow band EFIE to treat these sensors.

11. Do other sensors need adjustment? After treating the oxygen sensors, the most likely sensor still needed to be treated is the MAF or the MAP. In most vehicles you have one or the other, but not both. In some vehicles you both, and when you do, you want to treat the MAF. There is a circuit that will work for this that can be found in A Simple MAF/MAP Enhancer.   Note that Ford MAPs usually have a frequency type of output to the ECU.   However, in these cases you will usually find they also have a voltage based MAF that you can treat. After treating the MAF or MAP, the other sensors that can be tuned with profit are the IAT (Intake Air Temperature) and CTS (Coolant Temperature Sensor).   These are even more easily tuned and this is covered in Tuning For Mileage.   To summarize, many cars only need to treat the upstream oxygen sensor(s).   When this fails, we have found that most of the remaining projects will debug completely by treating the downstream oxygen sensor(s). In the rare cases where more tuning is needed then the MAF (or MAP if there is no MAF) has solved the case. We almost never need to treat the IAT sensor or the CTS. So treat the sensors in that order.

12. What did I miss in the steps above? All vehicles can be solved. Some of them are a little tougher than others due to the way the ECU was programmed. But they can all be solved. The technology works. If you have gotten to this point and your vehicle is still not been solved, one of the above steps is still out. You need to find it and get it corrected. And then your results will shine through.

#4 HHO The Best HHO Dry Cell

Sunday, February 14th, 2010

Advantages Of A HHO Dry Cell

HHO Dry Cell vs Wet Cell

So, what’s all the controversy about?

Why is the HHO Dry Cell a better design?

Here are 2 main reasons:

1. When the edges of the plates of a HHO generator are submerged in the water/catalyst bath a great deal of the electrical current passes through the edges of the plates.  This current is largely wasted in terms of HHO production.  When the edges are outside of the bath,   with the HHO dry cell,  all of the current is forced to travel directly to the faces of the plates.  Therefore all of the current supplied to the HHO generator is utilized by efficiently making HHO gas.
This is the main reason the  HHO dry cell design has become so popular.

2. The electrolyte bath attacks and will eventually destroy the electrical connections if they are submerged. With the HHO dry cell design they are outside of the water/catalyst solution.
The plates of our HHO dry cells are made of 316L stainless steel. This has been found to have the best properties of resistance to attack from the process of electrolysis. However, mounting hardware and wire and cable are very difficult to find in 316L grade and are very costly to use.
Therefore copper cable is usually used by Hydrogen on Demand installers when installing their HHO generators. And a lower grade of stainless steel nuts and bolts are used by HHO generator builders for assembly and when these are submerged in the electrolyte, they rapidly get eaten away.

With the HHO dry cell design, all of these connections are outside of the electrolyte so this isn’t an issue.

“Best HHO DRY CELL”

This Dry Cell is one of the most effective on the market today.

The HHO Dry Cell design shown below has about 80-90% total efficiency when all things are considered (ambient temperature, ambient pressure, accurate measurement of gas volume and current) when powered by straight DC. Pulsing or modulation of the input voltage waveform to this HHO dry cell could increase the performance further, as it is known that in the beginning of each pulse larger current flows than in the steady state condition, thus lowering the cell voltage needed to push threw a certain amount of current and increasing the efficiency of a Hydrogen Generator slightly.

Thousands of satisfied customers stand behind these HHO dry cells.


Please Do Your HHO Dry Cell and HHO Dry Cell Kit; Home Work Before You Purchase Any HHO Generator.

Warning!!!

These “HHO Generators”, will produce Hydrogen and Oxygen.

Hydrogen is a volatile colorless gas that has a low temperature ignition point. This gas also has no smell. Serious injuries and bodily harm can occur if the device is not handled or used properly!   HHO Fuel Systems require safety, plus understanding to ensure  that no damage to either mechanical or bodily injury!
Please read the  “Terms of use” as follows,  before using any HHO generator!!
Please, Safety First when dealing with any hydrogen generators !

The terms of use: The information contained on this web site is for general information purposes only.   We each have  our own personal experiences,  but we are not certified or licensed mechanics or engineers and make no claims as to the efficacy or safety of any system or procedure discussed.   The information provided is housed on other web sites and subject to change or removal at any time.   You are completely responsible for evaluating the information your receive and for the consequences of any steps you take as a result.
11 cell hho dry cell - Tested hho dry cell kit

What Makes any Hydrogen on Demand Website Different from Others ?

You Will No Doubt Run Across other HHO generator sites selling The Same Type of  HHO Dry Cell and HHO Dry Cell Kits. This HHO generator is the most copied out there.

This HHO Dry Cell Design is one of the best HHO generators available.

# 3 Advanced Technology HHO

Monday, February 8th, 2010

The hydrogen fuel cell is one of the most important innovations that is getting the attention of vehicle owners who are interested in reducing the cost of fueling & maintenance of their vehicles.    A hydrogen fuel cell can be created in many ways.   Most designs use the electrical power from the vehicle battery, to split water (H20) into its component gases, Hydrogen and Oxygen.   Typically, this occurs in a 2:1 atomic ratio of 2  H2 + O2 which is the same proportion as water.   The resulting gas: Oxy-Hydrogen is also referred to as HHO or Brown’s gas (named after it’s founder Bulgarian scientist, Yull Brown).    This gas is three times more powerful than normal gasoline, yet it burns with the chemical stability of water.     All this takes place under controlled circumstances in the combustion chamber.    Besides improved fuel economy, many drivers have also reported increased horsepower and smoother, quieter engine operation.   Plus the vehicle also produces cleaner emissions.  Therefore it is greener!

Oxy-Hydrogen  will have combustion when brought to its auto-ignition temperature.   For a stoichiometric mixture at normal atmospheric pressure, auto-ignition occurs at about 570 °C (1065 °F).   The minimum energy required to ignite such a mixture with a spark is about 0.02 millijoules.   At normal temperature and pressure, Oxy-Hydrogen or HHO can burn when it is between about 4% and 94% hydrogen by volume.

When ignited,  the gas mixture converts to water vapor and releases energy, which sustains the reaction: 241.8 kJ of energy (LHV) for every mole of H2 burned.   The amount of heat energy evolved is independent of the mode of combustion, but the temperature of the flame varies.   The maximum temperature of about 2800 °C is achieved with a pure stoichiometric mixture, about 700 degrees hotter than a hydrogen flame in air.    When either of the gases is mixed in excess of this ratio, or when mixed with an inert gas, like nitrogen, the heat must spread throughout a greater quantity of matter and the temperature will actually be lower.

Hydrogen systems can be configured to produce HHO gas on-demand either

(a) through an on/off switch or

(b) with power for as long as your vehicle’s engine is running.

Actually we recommend a combination of both!

Thus the HHO produced is then channeled through the intake manifold into the combustion chamber to mix with gasoline or other fuel.   By doing so, the combustion rate of gasoline is greatly enhanced, and burns cleanly and completely.

The Advanced Technology Behind HHO Units

With so many designs, configurations, and claims of being the best system;  how can you make the distinction between a bad unit, a good unit and a great unit?   Everyone claims that their system is the best ever made. To be fair, we have reviewed many designs from some of the top companies in the country, and they all have the same basic design flaw…   The core design is stainless plates.  Actually Platinum is the best for cell use; but the cost $ is prohibitive for most people!   We recognize that in the beginning,  Stainless Steel was the best known metal available to the common builder.   In the race to build a more productive unit, the industry has followed a path towards more plates per cell,  in an effort to better an already flawed design.   Thus it has created thousands of “backyard engineers” attempting to build a better wheel.   Unfortunately, all this has created is an industry that is more like a science fair, and less like an alternative to fuel economy!

We are looking at a product which stands out from everyone else in the world.   This is the only company {known at present} to offer a product line that is comprised of High Surface coated plates on a pure titanium substrate.    This revolutionary plate design allows for a unit that is comprised of only 3 plates.   These plates are unique in many ways.   First off, they create zero corrosion.   No rust entering your engine, EVER!   No dirty water means no constant maintenance or product tear down.   Less time monitoring the device, and more time saving money at the fuel pump!   The coating offers a surface area that is over 20x that of stainless steel.   Less metal equates to less heat, and less energy loss with large multi plate designs.   This also allows for far less water usage.  The  design requires refilling less often than any other system designed.   Size does matter, especially when trying to install a unit in any late model vehicle.    The small unit measures 5 1/4″ long x 2 1/4″ high x 2″ wide,   The large unit has the same width and height, and is only 8 3/4″ long…

#2 HHO how is it operating?

Sunday, February 7th, 2010

How to tell If your HHO dry cell or any other HHO generator actually making HHO Gas?

One of the most common issues we encounter when trying to debug hydrogen on demand systems is that the proper amount of HHO gas is not being produced,
or is not getting into the engine for some reason.


Check your HHO generator first. Measure the output of your HHO dry cell by doing a water displacement test.
This is fairly simple test where you use a empty bottle upside down floated in water and run your HHO gas out-put tube into it for one minute.

If your HHO generator seems to be putting out the liters per minute that you expected move on to the next and most important HHO gas test.

Now you need to check whether your unit is making HHO or steam.

You will see all kinds of HHO video and claims from so called HHO experts where their HHO dry cell or other type of hydrogen generator seems to be putting out massive amounts of HHO gas.
These guys are applying so much amperage to their HHO generators that the units are producing more steam than anything else.
If your HHO dry cell runs hot to the touch, you must suspect that at least part of your output is steam.

One way to test for steam in your HHO gas output is to run gas coming from the outlet tube of your HHO generator over some ice or other cooling system. Then if you get significant amounts of fog forming (water droplets), you know that at least part of your output is steam.  Which means you HHO cell is running too hot!

How Our HHO Dry Cells And HHO Dry Cell Kits Work

These hydrogen generators are a circulating system design. The water travels from the reservoir through the cell and then back into the reservoir. No water pumps are needed.

The key to this circulating system is the way our HHO dry cells are designed.  This HHO generator design acts like a pump creating a self siphoning system that carries the HHO gas and water back into the reservoir.  The reservoir stores the water that is circulated through the system which also acts as a bubblier system so that the water and HHO gas are separated with the water being recirculated.
This water circulation makes it easier to control temperature of your HHO generator which is why HHO dry cells are becoming very popular for those installing hydrogen on demand on their autos and trucks.


** What is the Right Mixture of KOH For an Hydrogen Generator or HHO Dry Cell ?

Start with a 10% KOH concentration (by weight) has been reported and understood to be the optimum.   Running about a 10% solution an  HHO dry cells at 15 amps warm and get 1- 1.5 LPM of HHO gas.

Water having a density of 1 gm/ml (gm and ml are equal)

KOH weighs apx. 11 grams per teaspoon. =  ( 33 gms per Tbsp)

1 quart (qt) water = 946.35 grams

The total weight is always 1,000 grams containing whatever percentage of KOH that is wanted.  So without turning this into a science class — 10% mix is APX. 3 tbsp. of KOH to 1 Quart of water.

To make 1 Kg of a 10% KOH solution by weight, add 100 grams of KOH to 900 cc of water. The total weight is always 1,000 grams containing whatever percentage of KOH that is wanted.

START WITH A DILUTED MIX !
It must be adjusted so that the concentration of catalyst is based on the amperage draw of your HHO dry cell at start up, because as the normal loss of water used will gradually increase the concentration and subsequent amperage draw as it runs.  The level of water will be evident due to the amp draw!

# 1 HHO the way to go!

Thursday, February 4th, 2010

HOW an HHO CELL Works

An  HHO CELL works by providing extra miles per gallon in your vehicle for several reasons:

Adding an HHO system can make your vehicle less expensive to operate, use less fuel and be green!

  1. Hydrogen and Oxygen gases are 3 times as powerful as gasoline. For every liter of HHO added to the engine the engine doesn’t have to use 3 liters of vaporized gasoline.
  2. Hydrogen and Oxygen when burned produce water. Water vapor helps the engine run cooler.
  3. There is evidence that Hydrogen may break gasoline down into lighter fuels that burn better. see #6
  4. Water is cheaper than gasoline.
  5. When you introduce Hydrogen and Oxygen into the combustion chamber with gasoline. The lighter molecular structure of the Hydrogen and Oxygen explodes providing the heat needed to ignite the heavier molecules in the gasoline, in a quicker fashion. Thereby assisting the gasoline in a more rapid burn or combustion. More of the gasoline burns in the combustion chamber and less leaves through the exhaust valves still burning or unburnt, a more complete burn. Which means more power, less pollution and better mileage !
  6. Hydrogen is used in the oil refining process. The oil is passed over a heated catalyst bed made of zeolites (s) tungsten, copper, steel, magnesium & platinum.    Anyway, while it’s passing over the catalyst Hydrogen is introduced.   A chemical reaction occurs which cracks the oil into lighter molecules.   The whole process is based upon the length of time,  temperature,  and type of catalyst used determines just how cracked the oil becomes.  This is done in a tower which allows the different weights of oil product to come off…   Each part  of this processes,  along with certain additives provide the different fuels we use everyday; Naphtha,  Propane,  Butane,  Diesel,  Gasoline etc.

The price of an  HHO CELL is less than the cost of  100 gallons of gas,  less than 5 tanks of fuel in most large cars.
If you were to receive only as 10% increase you would save 5 or more gallons in the same 5 tank fulls.   But since most autos receive 20-50% increase,  you could save much more in a shorter time,  10-25 gals in the same 5 tanks of gas.  that’s a pocketful of extra change!

If you need more info let us know!  We can help!